Podapalooza

During a recent event, Podapalooza, I was fortunate to connect with two people that right away I knew I had to get them on the show.

The first guest is Amy Zwaigenbaum, and she is a transformational stress coach. And we all know we can do with less stress in our lives. She discusses some of the stresses we as parents, especially moms are facing and a few coping strategies we can all use.

My second guest is Joanne light and she really talks a lot about emotional intelligence and the importance of developing that as a skill. We are raising the future and Joanne works with parents to help their children develop resilience and empathy to become the leaders of tomorrow.

About our Guests:

Amy Zwaigenbaum

Niche: Professional Supermoms over 30 suffering from stress-related illnesses

I am a Reiki Master, Teacher, and Transformational Stress Coach who realized that society has taught women for longer than anyone can remember that they need to be a Supermom taking care of their homes, husbands, and children in addition to being professional career women to help support their families. This creates an impossible workload to accomplish that results in stress-related illnesses and a reduced enjoyment of life. I help people break free from stress, anxiety, overwhelm, and burnout. This is accomplished through individual and group coaching sessions, meditation classes, Cleaver Fever Cure classes, and workshops.

Stress Relief tool: https://helpmestresscoach.com

Joanne Light

Niche: Parents of Tweens and Teens

Joanne Light is a Parent Empowerment Coach, mother and grandmother, and retired College administrator and counselor. She earned her doctorate in education and counseling from Boston University and chose to further her expertise through a life coaching certification and a certification in training in Emotional Intelligence. Her coaching practice currently focuses on the challenges and strategies parents need to navigate their parenting journey. Through research and personal experience, Joanne continues to pursue her passion for heart-centered coaching and for contributing to raise the next generation. Her appearances on radio shows, podcasts, and summits have enabled her to share with a diverse audience.

https://joannehlight.com

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Transcript
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Welcome to Just breathe parenting your LGBTQ team, the

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podcast, transforming the conversation around loving and

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raising an LGBTQ child filled with awesome guests practical

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strategies and moving stories host Heather Hester always makes

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you feel like you're having a cozy chat. Wherever you are on

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this journey right now, in this moment in time, you are not

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alone. And here is Heather for this week's amazing episode

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Welcome to Just breathe, I am so glad you are here today. So

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during my little break in December, that I took to just

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enjoy being home with my kids and having Connor and Isabel

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home from college and just doing a lot of our fun, traditional

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things that we do and really just taking time to breathe. I

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attended an event on December 18. That was an online event

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called PATA palooza. And a friend of mine was one of the

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people running it Michelle Abraham. And I thought, well,

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this will be a good opportunity. This sounds like a fun, just a

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fun opportunity, really. So why not? Why not do this. So I

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really, you know, kind of going into it had no idea what I'd

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signed myself out for. But oh, my goodness, did it turn out to

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be a really, really cool event. So during the course of the day,

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I had the opportunity to interview two different people

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for the podcast from my podcast. So the interviews that I got to

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do, we're a little different than my typical style, they were

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a little more rapid fire and kind of a quick get to know you

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and tell me about what you do type of thing. But I really

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found both of the people that I got to interview so engaging and

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interesting, and I really wanted to share them with you. So the

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first one that you're going to hear from is Amy's Wagan balm,

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and she is a transformational stress coach. And one of the

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really interesting things about her is she has a stress relief

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blog that I will let you listen to her talk about and tell you

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more about but it's really, really cool. And then the other

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person I got to talk to is Joanne light. And she really

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talks a lot about emotional intelligence and the importance

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of developing that as a skill. So I am really happy that I get

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to share these two wonderful humans with you. And I hope you

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enjoy. So Amy, I'm so excited that we get to chat for a little

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bit here today during this awesome Potter Palooza event.

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And

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thank you for having me on your podcast. I really appreciate it.

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Of

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course, of course, I think that what you do and what you offer

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is so interesting. And you know, my listeners are just going to

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find you fascinating. And I think we'll be we'll be clicking

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on a couple of different things here. So I first want to because

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we were just talking about it, and I need to I need to hear

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more about this blog that you just started. Can you tell us

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about it?

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Yes. Basically, my blog is a free stress release tool. It has

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the same accomplishment as going out and causing harm without

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any, any harm. So it's it's a writing writing tool, and it's

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called How to literally get away with murder. And I teach my

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audience, how they would plan outs to kill the person who's

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stressed them out. Now you're just writing a story. So

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nobody's getting hurt, you don't you're not going to jail for it.

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And well, the next time the boss tells you, it makes you feel

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awful. You can think about your lovely story and feel much

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better.

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Right? I mean, that is so creative. And writing is such a

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stress reliever. So why not? You know, a lot of times I talk

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about journaling all the time, but really, this is taking it to

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the next level, right?

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Well, because I've done as a teacher, I did a criminal

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profiling course and I did design multiple murder mystery

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type that's, I really do know about what makes these people

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tick and how they decide they're victims, how they decide where

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they're going to kill and everything else. So I'm walking

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people through how you would literally design a murder

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against someone you don't like. Wow.

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without causing harm. Without there's no

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harm involved. In fact, if your story is really good, you could

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always change the names and publish it.

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Right? Exactly. It could be a series of short stories. Just

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keep them a compilation, right, which started out as a stress

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reliever. I just said is so cool.

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Yeah, it's just to get that anger and that stress out. So

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you feel better. The randomness is to release that stress and to

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lower your stress level because I'm a stress transformational

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stress coach

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exam. Well, that moves right beautifully into that. So which

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came first the blog or being the coach? What is your, your time?

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The coaching is actually came? I don't know. I mean, the blog

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grew out of other things that were there before the coaching,

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okay, but the coaching came in first. Okay. So learns basically

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everything I could possibly know about coaching. Still being one

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of those people who has to learn everything before? Wow,

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I think that's a good thing, right? Being a lifelong learner,

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we just continually get better or wiser. And you know, what we

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do? I think that's so smart. Well,

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it's, it keeps things interesting. You can never learn

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too much. I used to be? Well, I used to have a company as a

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Reiki Master and running the bars. And one of the things they

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taught us with running the boat bars is to always be in the

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question always be learning. Right? So this is one of the

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things I bring, also to my stress coaching. I'm also going

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to be having met at weekly meditation classes for my, my

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clients starting in January one. So all of this is part of the

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package for either one on one coaching or group coaching.

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Okay,

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that's great. So can we talk a little bit about who you offer,

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you know who your ideal client is for coaching? Who you like to

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work with, or who you typically work with?

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Well, I I'm looking to work with stressed out professional super

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moms who have these horrible stress related illnesses,

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because basically, they're trying to do the workload that

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even the great god Zeus couldn't figure out himself. Mm hmm.

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And that's become quite an issue, hasn't it?

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Well, the stress, I mean, people, stress is one of the

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biggest killers around and has been for a long time. And people

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don't realize how serious it really is.

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Right? Right. Well, because stress is not tangible. Right.

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So you don't realize all the havoc it reeks. I mean, it is

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that's a rather, but I think it as a general statement, right?

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It is, you can't, whereas like you can see sugar, right? You

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can see fat, you can see that you're not exercising, but you

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can't necessarily see stress. Let's talk about that just a

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little bit. Because I like that. You're not just a stress coach.

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You're a transformational stress coach, for professional

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supermoms that is highly specific. So well, I

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want to tell them how to enjoy their life. Okay. Basically,

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it's been believed for a long time that the only ones who can

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enjoy the the awesome career and having the family or the man,

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but nobody ever thinks about why. And the reason behind this

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is that the men are doing a lot less work. Yeah. Okay, they work

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their day at work, they come home, they park out in front of

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the TV, watch the news. Well, the wife makes dinner takes care

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of the kids. Make sure everybody does their homework. I mean,

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she's doing double duty here. That's why she's not having any

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fun,

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right? Or why she's exhausted all the time, right or bizarre.

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And now, all these stress related diseases are creeping

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in.

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Well, exactly and stress at the end of the day can

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kill you. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It can. It is It's funny when

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you say that I have to just really I was just having this

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conversation the other day with my my father is 87. And, and he

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will always say to me, Well, you should you should read, you

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know, XYZ and why don't you do this? And, and I laughed because

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you know, he was he was a dentist for 50 some odd years,

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right? And I was like, Dad, you got to go to work, do the one

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thing that you love doing. You had all these people around you

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making it work for you, right? Your assistants, your office

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manager, you came home, mom took care of all of us, right? You

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got to walk in the house and sit down and be fed, and then go

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read. And then get up the next day and do all of that again. I

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like that. Just literally no, I'm like the the number of

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things that mom always did that you had no idea the number of

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things that we do in this generation of women. Right? At

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times 100. A right. And I said it is it is beyond comprehension

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for you. So the fact that I don't sit down at three o'clock

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in the afternoon and read a newspaper. I know it's really

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hard for you to understand. It's not possible.

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Where do you find the time? Exactly. However, it's a lot of

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fun to grab the kids and go out for a snowball fights.

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Wow. Yes. Right. Or I mean, and I think these are the things

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that you're talking about right in what you're doing that you

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are teaching moms that it's okay to do.

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Well, it's it's about forgiving yourself, because you didn't ask

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for this job. You were just kind of dropped into it. And because

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this is something that you hadn't planned on that you just

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were nurtured, basically from birth to do us. I mean, nobody

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even remembers where this idea came from. It's been passed down

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for so many generations. Yeah.

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Yeah. And I think it's, it is definitely beginning to shift a

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little, right. It's a little, but

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it's got a long way to go. It has a very long

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way to go. And it takes conscious action on our part.

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Would you agree?

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Definitely. I would.

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So how do we act in? What do you tell you?

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The first step? The first step is take a step back and look at

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what is causing this. Alright, why are you feeling like this?

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What what are you doing? You know what? Hobby, sorry, dude.

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But you're going to have to start helping here. And the kids

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while you just got drafted. So, you know, if we were on a farm,

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every one of those children would not be playing video

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games, they would be doing chores. Well guess what? This is

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the new farm children. Right? You're going to put away the

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video games, you're going to help around the house so that

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mom can actually have be the kind of mother you want. Instead

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of feeling like she's grinding your teeth and clenched all the

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time and feeling awful. And it benefits everyone for mom to

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feel better.

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It does. It does. So what is a first step that a mom could

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take? And I'm talking from like being like in the trenches where

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it is really like she is at her wit's end. And she's just, what

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is that first step she can take?

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Well, I guess the best the first step she would take is to stop

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expecting herself to do it all. Stop thinking that you can

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handle this mountain of work. You are a human being, you are

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not a goddess. As much as you may look like one you are not a

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goddess. And you have to forgive yourself for not being able to

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conquer this instrumental load of work. Li and check it out and

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check out the blog have some fun with that. Well, I

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was just gonna say I think that's a perfect a perfect lead

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in right to the not only the blog, but really I want

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everybody to look into what you do. And take a look at this

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blog. It's I'm looking at this blog as soon as we finish here

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so I can so I can learn How to Get Away with Murder and a

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literary sense

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and repeating to people this is a literary tool

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literary literary art. Yes, I think we probably need to repeat

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Like 12 more times, right?

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Please go out and actually kill someone. That's not what I'm

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encouraging.

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Exactly. Not literally, literarily, it's just a couple

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letters that are moved around very important. But just also go

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out just how what is the So go into your blog. So the blog is

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called How to literarily get away with murder? Yes, yes.

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Okay. And then what is your website? What is the best way

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for people to contact you?

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Well, personally, I think laughter is a really good cure

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for stress. So I've tried to use it in a lot of things I do. My

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website is helped me stress coach calm.

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It's awesome. Okay, help me stress coach calm, okay, I will

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have this all in the show notes, everyone. So don't panic, if

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you're not getting this right now. It will be there because

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I'm writing it down right now. Okay, that is very fun. And

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I just love to have fun.

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You do have to have fun. You really do. And you have to learn

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to laugh and learn to allow yourself to be human.

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Right. Exactly. And, and one of my yourself sort of breaks

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right? Well, when you're sick is because you're not taking me

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correct. Absolutely correct. And to learn to embrace the

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messiness of all of this, because it's, it's going to be

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messy, whether you embrace it or not. So just embrace it and have

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fun with it.

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Exactly. Enjoy, try to enjoy your life, make things more fun.

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One of the things I suggest with my clients is, as part of

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drafting the kids so to speak, is make the weekends about

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cooking your meals for the week. So everybody gets together and

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cooks everything. You dump it in the freezer or the fridge. And

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then little Johnny and little Sam can can make dinner before

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everybody gets home, because they just stick it in the

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microwave.

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I love that. I love that. And then it's a group effort to

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which I think, you know, has value in so many ways, right?

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Well, it becomes a family activity and it becomes a hobby

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instead of a chore.

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Right? Right. Yes, I

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know. Personally, I love my crock pot. Throw everything in

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and see what you find at the end.

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Right. The crock pot. Okay, and my new favorite. The airfryer

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that thing is magical. I'm just gonna, I'm just putting it out

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there. It is fun. Like, you're nuts. No, it's not. No, I have

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just been amazed. I actually put salmon in there. And I cook

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salmon in the airfryer. Yes. I'm telling you. It's magical. It's

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not just for like, because my kids of course my you know,

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teenagers use it for you know, pizza rolls and, you know,

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fries, right fries now that I'm like, what kind of like actual

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good food can I put in here and have it come out? Good, right.

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And

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not to mention, you can play with all the little spices,

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right? Try this this time. Try this that time.

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Exactly. Exactly. So I'm with you a big fan my crock pot, my

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airfryer it's all good. So,

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and you can cook multiple meals in one shot, which is what makes

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it even better.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And, and there. I think there's a piece

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of that too. Or the kids are like, Oh, this is kind of fun. I

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want to I want to help with this. How are you doing this?

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The sound? You know? Right. So

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I mean, it's not like baking, okay, when you're cooking, you

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can play with spices. You can play with a lot of the things

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when you bake. There's only so much you can do. Right. I

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learned this the hard way as a child, actually, because I mixed

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up the salt the sugar when I was making a cake. Oh,

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oh, I'm sorry. Huh?

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What was not edible? No,

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I would not think so. It was probably really pretty, but yet

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not edible. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, this is how we learn.

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Right? I'm sure you never did that again.

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Oh, yeah. It's it's all about discovering new things. It's all

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about living the adventure.

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Is it totally is as that's so funny. Oh my gosh. Well, Amy,

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thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for thank you

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so much for having me. I really appreciate the talk with you.

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I know me too. Absolutely. And I'm going to jump off of here

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and and go check out Have your your blog out and your website

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out. I'm so excited. And I know my listeners will too, because

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this is just awesome. So

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I know they'll get a good laugh from the blog. It's it's really

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funny, it goes into real details on how to design you're getting

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rid of the first new stresses you out. So as long as you don't

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follow through with it, it's all good.

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That's right, exactly. And I think that's the disclaimer here

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is do not follow through with this physically, this is

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literally to write away your stress. Alright, Amy will enjoy

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the rest of today. And this awesome event. And I'm sure I

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hope we will connect sometime down the road.

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Oh, I would absolutely love that. Okay, wonderful. Thank you

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very much.

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You are welcome. Bye. Bye. So Joanne, I am very excited to

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meet you and to learn about you and learn about what you do. I

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was so interested reading your, your short bio, with lots of

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experience with parents and with kids and with coaching. And so I

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am hoping that you might just share with us what you do and

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what kind of brought you into what you're doing now.

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Okay, sure that that's a fair question. I right now, my focus

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is to coach parents, particularly if tweens and

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teens, and I love working with parents of kids that age,

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because everyone sort of has this bad rap view of teenagers,

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you know, there's sort of a societal wholesale view,

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although I think it's changing a little that teenagers are

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impulsive and rash and nasty and disrespectful. And, sure there

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is that side to all of them at some times. But I think that

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they are the most interesting human beings, they and their

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brains are constantly on fire and changing. So and I came to

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do parents because well, I spent 30 some odd years in higher

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education. I was an educator, and administrator, a counselor.

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And when I retired, I decided coaching was a good thing for

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me. Because I like working with people and doing sort of

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passionate kind of work. And right now, I'm working with

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parents, because I think we need to really give all we all need

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the skills of emotional intelligence, how to be a good

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listener, why those things are important to be good parent to

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being available parent and not. It's not all it's not about you,

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and to really share that with parents so that they can raise

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resilient kids. And it's hard. It's really hard work. And I I

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feel that we as parents, and I'm my kids are adult children,

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adults now. We as parents need to raise the next generation and

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the kids who are teens today and preteens, man, we're gonna need

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them to be great leaders and great citizens because things

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are a little dark. Things are not looking so good right now.

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So I, I became passionate about the coaching and, and chose this

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niche because I really, I feel like I understand teenagers. And

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therefore I understand their parents and I, I raised three

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teenagers, none of whom escaped. Having lots of issues, my oldest

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daughter has mental health issues and when your child is

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different, it's just a it's a bigger challenge. So parents of

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LGBTQ kids have a, almost a higher barrier a higher a higher

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wall to, to climb over and, and jump down and be present there.

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Absolutely.

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And I There are several pieces there that I just found so

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interesting. But that is that is so correct. And I think that you

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know, as parents, we kind of have to it's part of it is that

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seeing our kids and seeing, okay, what what do they need

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from us? Right? So I really loved that you said it's not

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about you, because I think that's such an easy thing,

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especially when our kids are teenagers, right to feel like,

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why are they being so mean to me, or why are they doing that?

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It's totally not about us. Right. And so that's right. And

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I think I'm so glad you said that. I think that's something

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we just have to like continue hearing from others who have,

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you know, who are teaching that and who have been through it.

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And then it's something we just have to practice like that. Oh,

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yeah. This isn't about me. Right. Right. And that allows

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you, I think to, and I think this is my next question for

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you, is to really see your kid, right to see what it is they're,

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you know, trying to tell you or what it is they're going through

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or dealing with, or just being a kid, you know, just being a

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teenager or whatever your tween or early, you know, young adult.

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But I, one of the things that really captivated me about you

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is the, your work with emotional intelligence. And that is

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something that is, I think, new to many, many people. And so a

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lot of us are just in that very much, either. We've never heard

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of it before, or we're really wanting to learn about it. So

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what can you share about that?

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Oh, that's, that's a Pet Pet love of mine. I just want to

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start with what you started to say about seeing our kids for

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who they are, I think one of the hardest things for parents to do

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is to let your child become just become who he or she, he or she

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or they are. And that's very difficult. And I think if you

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understand emotional intelligence, which I just want

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to make clear, Heather, in my mind is a skill. You can learn

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it at any time. It's a skill, and I think it's seems, has

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always been seen as a soft skill. But that's, that's sort

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of changing. There are a lot of business leaders, including

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Amazon, who are hiring people to teach their employees, emotional

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intelligence, and hiring people, recruiters now look for those

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skills in people. And what emotional intelligence is all

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about is understanding emotions, being able to label them being

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to an understanding where you're coming from, and being able to

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understand other people's emotions, and regulating them.

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And as a parent, one of the hardest things to do is to

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regulate your own emotions. And unless you really understand

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where you're coming from, and where your emotions are coming

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from, it's really hard to regulate those of your preteen

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or teen. So emotional intelligence is really a group

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of skills, you have to recognize them, understand them have a

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vocabulary, it's not just about happy or sad, there are no bad

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feeling. And once you label them, I think you can express

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them appropriately and know where and when to express them.

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And I think that really, then you can regulate them. I think

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it takes all of that work, to be able to, you know, not when your

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kid does something that is outrageous to explode and lose

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it totally. Now, we all as parents have totally lost it at

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times. No question about it or him? Yes, and it's okay and

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mistakes. You want your kids to make mistakes and learn from

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them, and you learn from yours. And you can repair all that. But

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if you really are emotionally intelligent, you really, I think

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can learn to be a empathic leader. Kids who know emotional

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intelligence, who have modeled it, because they're who have

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learned it, because their parents have modeled it, have

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their I think, are more academically successful in how

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many parents do you know, that just really looked at their kids

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in their achievements as a measure of success?

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Absolutely. Absolutely. I am. I think one of the really

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interesting things that, you know, has become so clear to me

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in the past 10 years, I guess, is that emotions, you know, I

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think when when I was growing up, it was very much you don't

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express right. And if you did express, it was a sign of

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weakness, right? Especially if it were, you know, tears or any

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form of, you know, sadness, or any really anything, right. And

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so now, I think, Oh, this is great, because we're really

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learning that emotions and understanding them. It's

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information. So that being angry isn't bad. It's information. So

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what is that anger? So like learning to ask those questions

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of, well, okay, you're angry. Why are you angry? What is that

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anger telling you what to you? And so, I think it's that, you

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know, it's understanding to talk about it and then to validate

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that experience and say, Hey, I see that you're angry. or, or

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having somebody reflect that to you, right? I can see that

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you're really sad about that. Or you're really, and like you

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said, like, there are hundreds of words to, you know, express

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to describe emotions, right? So

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there's your, you know, there's totally exasperated, violent,

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miserable, I mean, you can, you know, you can be this angry or

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this angry or, or higher level of angry and you can learn the

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words for all those different different shades of anger. And

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you're right, you've got to look underneath, where is it coming

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from?

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Exactly, exactly, and not being afraid to look underneath.

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Right? As a parent, as you said, to say to your child, I see that

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you're frustrated, I see that you're upset, do you want to

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talk about it, but interrogating them? It won't work? They need

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to come to you.

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Right. Right. And sometimes I think that they and I don't know

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what your thoughts are on this. But sometimes I feel like, you

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know, and we just say, Hey, I see that, right? I feel like

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you're there's no energy coming off of you rises, because I feel

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like there's you know, there's sad energy coming off of your,

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your, you seem a little agitated, or you know what, for

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them to be like, oh, like, okay, they may not even want to talk

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about it. They're just like, Okay, some somebody hears me or

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sees my ear. And then they can like, start going through their

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process, and then know that you are a safe place to come in if

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they need to continue processing, right? Or if they

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need, you know, one thing that I'm always throwing out in my

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house is, you know, if you need a professional to talk to, like

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somebody that was not your mom, or your dad or sibling or best

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friend. Professionals are available. Right. Right. And I

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think that's a piece of normalizing.

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You're realizing your emotions, right? Because there's the

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stigma attached to looking for professional help less now less.

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But I know when I was looking for professionals, for my, my

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daughter, it was, it was not only hard, but it felt, you

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know, I felt like I was being judged, because I was looking

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for help.

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Right. Right. I think you're right, that is definitely

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shifting, which is such a great thing. I love that. And, and,

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and you're definitely you know, in the line of coaching parents

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and working with parents and teenagers, I feel like that's

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very much about a parallel. And I just wonder if you could talk

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a little bit more, just to my audience about what you, you

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know, what you do and what you specifically offer? Because I

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think that's something that people are looking for more and

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more and interested in? How do we find this? And how do we, you

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know, what questions do we need to ask? So we know we can find,

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you know, a good match.

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Right? Well, you know, that that that's a broad? That's a hard

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question to answer. Because by again, no, no, no, no, no, it's

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fair. It's fair. I. I just tried to reach out to parents, and

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talk about the things that they need to talk about what I tried

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to get them to think about their vision, what do you need? Where

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do you want to go? How do you see your future within your

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family with your team? Because it's different in every family.

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I mean, I've recently been chatting with a mom, who I, I

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just, I'm like aghast at how amazing she is who has one child

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who at two and a half knew that she was a heat. So she's been

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dealing with a transgender child, and her oldest child, who

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is non, you know, non binary, and there's just so many

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different situations that come up. So I try very hard to, to

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meet parents where they are, what they need, how they've been

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parented, because that totally influences how you come across,

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or how you parent, even if you swear, you're never gonna sound

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like your mother someday. You may sound like your mother, you

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know, I think it it. It's there. There are generational patterns.

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And so I just try to offer a confidential space where mums

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and dads can talk about what they worry about, and what their

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fears are because I think parenting from a place of fear

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that One subject that I think is universal, and I try very hard

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to always bring that into our, my coaching sessions is, it's

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just from the minute that baby is born, I think the tentacles

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of fear just wrapped around your heart. And that is, that's it

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from that point forward. And if we can learn how to parent from

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a place of trust, Heather as opposed to a, from a place of

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fear, right, some will do better will feel better, because we all

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worry about so many things. And your anxiety is so high

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sometimes. And it's a scary world out there, there plenty

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things to be afraid of. You have to you can't protect your child

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from from everything. And I always think prompt I say

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problem free is not fully prepared. You know, they all

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need to face their challenges, and some more than others. So

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certainly a LGB t Q. Child, and their mom and dad have a heart

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or their mom and mom or whoever it is have a tough time. It's

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It's hard out there. But um, so I don't know if I've answered

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your question, but I think I just tried to acquire clients

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who want to trust and be open and have an opportunity to share

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what what bothers them, what is worrisome for them, and to take

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them to the next place to the next level? Where they'd like to

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grow?

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Right? Oh, that's great. It sounds to me that you're really

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you meet people where they are, you see them for who they are.

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And there's a lot of it's non judgmental, it's safe, and we

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try it right. And I think that is a eight, something that is

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very comforting. You know, many people are looking for that, and

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they're just not quite sure where to go, where to look for,

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you know, where to find this type of support. So I love that,

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you know, because for so long, and you know, really having a

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therapist was your one option, right? So I mean, finding a

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therapist, that was really a good match. It was hard, right?

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And also kind of jumping through that or getting over that hurdle

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of, I don't know what I think about this, right? I mean, now

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I'm the biggest advocate of therapy, I think it's, it's so

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very important. And it's it's kind of like, it's, it's just

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mental health, self care, as far as I'm concerned. So that's my,

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like, just in normalizing it and really encouraging people, but I

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love that. Coaches, like you, parent coaches, and, you know,

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coaching for all have kind of entered this space, because it's

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a lovely mix, right? And it just fits, I think, avoid that was

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there. So I appreciate what you do. And I appreciate, you know,

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kind of watching this, this grow, and having it having it be

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available for four people because I always say, you know,

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finding, finding a therapist is like speed dating, you know,

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it's really hard, right? So this is true, this is quite, quite

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lovely. So would I be able to how would people find you if

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they wanted to learn more about you?

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Well, I have a website. That's Joanne H light li GH t.com. And

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I love when people just email me and we just start a conversation

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that way. And my email is Joanne at Joanne H lytx.com.

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Okay, well, that's easy. Super. Yeah. Well, great. Well, that

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will be I will also have that in my notes for our show today. And

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if it's okay with you, I will put a link on my website so

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people can can find you that way as well. But I think that this

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is just a really, I appreciate you being with me today and

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really appreciate it. Thanks so much for joining me today. Just

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a quick reminder to make sure you bookmark my website as your

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go to source for resources, information, podcasts updates.

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right away. So definitely worth it. I do not email crazy

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amounts. It's really only when I have awesome things to share

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with you. So take a minute jump on over there and do that. and I

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look forward to connecting with you. Until next time.

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Thanks so much for joining Heather today. Remember to just

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breathe. Take a few minutes every day to calm and center

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